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Countersink follow-up

I made a comment in my Show-and-Tell post, that Steve replied to.

I have more info, but the discussion makes more sense here.


> I wrote:

> One minor hiccup was that the heads of the #6 screws

> on the ratchet (clicks) were running into the spokes of the

> ratchet wheel...


> Steve replied:

> That is the first time hearing anything about the click screws

> rubbing. Flat head screws should sit nearly flush and have

> enough clearance.


Yeah, I wondered about that too. I thought maybe I had weird screws or something... Here's what I found:


Mine are 'Everbilt' brand, which is the brand sold at Home Depot, so that's probably where I got them.

Matt's Screws
Matt's Screws

Just eyeballing, it's clear that their countersink angle is less than 90°. I imagine it's 82°, which seems to be the standard for US, flat head, Phillips wood screws.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersink#Types

https://boltdepot.com/Product-Details?product=16354

https://www.finepowertools.com/drills/countersink-angles/


The countersinks in the click STL files appear to be about 100°, measured by examining the STL file in Fusion 360. |

Measuring the model
Measuring the model

In a freshly printed click (printed countersink-side up), my screws do not sit flush; but are proud of the top by about 1.04mm.

Click thickness measured
Click thickness measured


With screw adds 1.04
With screw adds 1.04

I printed a cut-down version of the click, just to see if it revealed anything.

cut-down part with screw
cut-down part with screw

Though this photo is not entirely clear, I think my screw hits the lower edge of the countersink before the top of the screw sits flush in the part. It was very close, mind you; just had to bore down by 1/2 mm or so to make it clear the spokes.

I make no conclusions here; just offer food for thought.

What do you think?


-Matt

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Steve
Steve
Feb 05

That is interesting. I have purchased those screws in the past and don't remember the heads being oversized so much. There is a lot of variability between brands though. An 82 degree countersink is a quick solution. This trick should get added to the assembly guides.


I order screws for the parts kits from McMaster-Carr, product number 90048A151. They are specified to have a head diameter of 0.262" and usually measure close to 0.25". I keep using them because they are extremely consistent across many orders.

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