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Steve Guberman
Steve Guberman
yesterday · posted in Debug Hints

Gears Not Moving With Weight Attached

Hi Steve!! I love all your designs! I built the easy-build wall clock, but the gears won't move freely when the weight is installed. I reversed the Pendulum just to see if the gears would budge with no interference. No luck. I have taken the clock apart and rebuilt it several times now. All the gears on the left side work great on their own. All the gears on the right side work great on their own. When all together, it takes a ton of force to get anything to budge. Please help! I look forward to having your other clocks built. But need this one working first.


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Steve
Steve
yesterday

It takes a surprisingly small amount of friction near the escapement to stall the gear train when there is around a 500:1 gear reduction. My guess is to look on the right side close to the escapement.


The debug steps should be listed in the assembly guide. Here are the important ones:


Every gear must be drilled to be loose on the arbor.

Every gear needs to have some end shake after assembly into the frame.

The gears that pass through the frame need to rotate freely. This would be gears 6 and 9 on this clock.

Gear 3 behind the escapement is connected solidly to arbor, so the arbor must rotate freely inside the frame.


If all of these checks pass, then start removing gears one by one to see if you can identify the trouble spot. Start with the escapement, then gear 2, 3, and 5. You may need a spacer to hold some of the gears in position along the arbor for some of the steps.

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Clock 13 progress

Clock 13 Tuning notes


As noted in my 'show and tell' post, I did a hasty initial assembly and my clock ran for about 2 days on 4lb 6oz direct weight. Then it stopped and refused to restart.


My original bearings had metal seals that seemed impossible to remove. I got some of the rubber-seal type and removed the seals and lube per the instructions. The lube was a translucent stuff reminiscent of petroleum jelly. IPA didn't seem to dissolve it, so I used acetone.


I found that the dry graphite in the bearings seemed to make them worse, though I suppose it might improve if I ran it for a while to grind up the granules. This was one of the large skate bearings. I skipped it for the rest, and am running them dry. They appear to be chrome plated, so I don't expect corrosion to be m…


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mkeveney
mkeveney
Feb 12

Quick followup: My SP13 has now been running continuously for 6 days, with no signs of stopping. I assembled the drive weight with pulley and enough shot to give 4lb 5oz. This is less than the safety margin recommended by the instructions, but it's been running so well, I'm inclined to leave it alone for now. The pendulum swings just a hair over 2° each side. I adjusted the pendulum four times since making the drive weight, and think I now have it very close. I have not touched it in the last three days, and it's still within 30 seconds of true. Very happy with the design.

-Matt


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Countersink follow-up

I made a comment in my Show-and-Tell post, that Steve replied to.

I have more info, but the discussion makes more sense here.


> I wrote:

> One minor hiccup was that the heads of the #6 screws

> on the ratchet (clicks) were running into the spokes of the

> ratchet wheel...


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Steve
Steve
Feb 05

That is interesting. I have purchased those screws in the past and don't remember the heads being oversized so much. There is a lot of variability between brands though. An 82 degree countersink is a quick solution. This trick should get added to the assembly guides.


I order screws for the parts kits from McMaster-Carr, product number 90048A151. They are specified to have a head diameter of 0.262" and usually measure close to 0.25". I keep using them because they are extremely consistent across many orders.

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Bob Schueler
Bob Schueler

SP5B Parts on Etsy

Steve, I cannot find the parts kit for the SP5B on Etsy. Is there one? If so, can you link it here? Disclaimer: I haven't dug into the build notes and perhaps there's further info there.


Thanks!

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Eric Bjorn
Eric Bjorn

Pendulum Period

This is my first clock (SP5B 2.0) and is currently breaking in. Before I write anything else, I want to publicly thank Steve for sharing his talent and passion for clocks with us. The print and build process was so enjoyable and the design remarkable. Steve's attention to detail in the assembly notes was at a level of detail I've never seen before and was obviously a engineer's labor of love. Thank you, Steve!


My clock has now run for 2 days straight and is keeping decent time! At first I had some stoppage and decided to let the entire gear train run for multiple cycles with the pallet removed and 3 lbs of weight. I swear that the gear noise softened as they ran through the cycles. Is that possible? When I put the pallet back on, the escapement wouldn't turn freely with 5 lbs and I discovered that…



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Steve
Steve
Feb 04

Thanks for the kind words. A lot of effort goes into optimizing a clock for 3D printing.


The horizontal form factor of this clock stacks gears on a single arbor that can be a bit sensitive, as you found out. Once it is adjusted, the clock should run great.


Regarding pendulum length, many old clocks have a 2 second period with 1 second in each direction. This often used two gear pairs with 60:8 and 64:8 ratios followed by a 30 tooth escapement and a 39" pendulum. I believe that a 39" pendulum is disproportionately long in a small clock.


All of my clocks have shorter pendulums. This requires different gear tooth counts. For example, gear ratios of 36:8, 36:8, 36:8 and a 25 tooth escapement has a 24.5" pendulum beating 4556 times per hour. In the days of hand cut gears, the 39" example has 170 teeth to cut, while the 24.5" pendulum only has 157 total teeth and an additional arbor. With a 3D printer, the total number of teeth is an insignificant factor. I select gear ratios that allow a good overall balance. There is no difference in accuracy of a 39" pendulum compared to a 24.5" pendulum.

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My SP13

Just completed my SP13 a few days ago.

Matt's SP13
Matt's SP13

One minor hiccup was that the heads of the #6 screws on the ratchet were running into the spokes of the ratchet wheel. I solved the problem by boring the countersunk holes on the clicks a bit deeper, just by manually applying an 8mm drill bit. Otherwise it went together without issues. Nice design! I did very little additional prep before hanging it up and testing. It ran OK for a few days with a 4lb 6oz temporary weight (no pulley). Then it stopped and refused to restart. So, now on to the tuning. The bearings I had on hand all had metal seals. I soaked them in a little cup of "Goo Gone" to try de-greasing, which seemed to mostly work... but I'm getting new bearings tomorrow with rubber seals, so I can do it by the book. Got some graphite lub…

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Steve
Steve
Feb 04

That is the first time hearing anything about the click screws rubbing. Flat head screws should sit nearly flush and have enough clearance. You have a solution that also works.


The pendulum support bearings are easy to check by running the free swing test. Anything greater than 10 minutes should be OK.


The escapement characteristics after the clock stops can tell you a lot about what to debug next. Does the escapement still spin? If not, then look for defects on the gear teeth where they are meshing. Also check for end shake on all the arbors. If the escapement is sluggish, then look for friction. Make sure every gear spins freely on its arbor.


You need to hold the clock level when running without the pulley. It is a simple way to double the effective weight, but the balance is off so the frame wants to tilt and the clock will be out of beat unless the clock is held vertical.


Your clock should be very close to running perfectly.

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Cad Software

Steve....what CAD software do you use? Ive tried several and used Fusion to try and create the slopped base. I pretty much got the shape and size I wanted but when printed the rounded corners are not as smooth as your crazy gear slopped box. Then I noticed when bringing both into Bambu Studio there is a big difference on the smoothness of the corners compared to what I created. So I was wondering if you are doing something different or using a different CAD program that maybe does the fillets or champers differently.

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Steve
Steve
Feb 02

I use TurboCAD Platinum 2018 with the faceting quality set to the highest level.


There are probably cheaper alternatives available today that would do an equivalent or better job.

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Slava Kuznetsov
Slava Kuznetsov

Large Silent Chess Edition

A slightly personalized gift to my chess grandmaster friend https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CWf3rLroMpE

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Steve
Steve
Jan 31

Looks great.

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Bob Schueler
Bob Schueler

Moon dial not moving

Not sure how to resolve this but the moon phase gear isn't turning. The clock runs and reliably. Any suggestions?

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Steve
Steve
Jan 30

The moon phase operation is only two gears and a friction clutch. Make sure that both gears can move freely. Touch the gears and they should move slightly. Test the friction clutch by manually rotating the moon dial by reaching behind the main dial. There should be a small amount of resistance.


Another possibility is that you need to wait longer to see the moon phase rotate. The moon dial makes one complete rotation every 59 days. This gives a full moon cycle of 29.5 days.

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